E.L.A.M. No we dont have it, but you can get the 4th edition if you like, theres not much of a difference Hello my name is Abrar Justin Ahmed and I am a PGY-III Emergency Medicine Resident Physician and the current Resident EM Clerkship Director at Brookdale University Hospital and Medical Center in . I compared our academic schedule to too schools in California, and we have an average if 3 to 4 weeks less time to study, and our modules are way shorter than US schools. Is it worth it? Thank you so much. Less expensive than the bigger Caribbean schools That said if you think you can cut it try a walk in these kids shoes if you dare. We had a series of events that were questionable. Some left because they couldnt handle the living conditions and others because they got frustrated by the way the school does business and transferred to another medical school. Will anything ever be done about that evil institution? When we unite as a profession to PROTECT one another and not allow our colleagues to fall and be preyed upon we will finally have real health care. That makes them one of the best Caribbean medical schools out there! Its worth a look. Period. 1. I was recently accepted to SJSM in St. Vincent. For 30 years, Saba University School of Medicine has been turning dedicated students into Saba doctors. Is it hard to get into Saba medical school? i do wish more schools in the caribbean had more integrity in the kind of students they admit. That is the speculation, but no one will really tell you what will be going on or at least want to tell you. These are the people needed to close the health-disparities gap. As Peter McConarty, a veteran family doctor who advises E.L.A.M. (for the record, I know 5 people who repeated a term) As an aside about the housing, if you are thinking about attending SGU, then dont live on campus. Review fee: $500. If you cant handle the environment, try to figure that in term one and leave the school. Students who need extra academic help are assigned to a different cohort, so not all of the 1,000 or 900 or 500 or whatever is the number of students per term are mashed into a lecture hall. Cheers-Donald. Admissions Rolling admissions. Everybody gets accepted fuck you are paying in dollars in a third world country but when you finnish you will be unable to find an i ternship aka residency, in the usa and not alot of doors are opened for unliscensed professional in the healthcare field. Do you get federal loans for Saba University? This certificate is very useful in the field of medicine. I am by no means an expert on accreditation or Carribbean Medical Schools but I would encourage anyone thinking of applying to Med School to think about where in the world they want to be long-term, get as many stats and details as possible, find out what accreditations the Med achool they are thinking about has, where you would like to / are allowed to practice afterwards, what national exams you need to take etc. Saba University School of Medicine has rolling admissions. Sciences tuition: $16,975. You know physicians and medical students bash NPs and PAs all the time. Am I breezing through school of course not. Good Luck everyone. Preparation leads to perfection and Sabas results are comparable with the top medical school programs in the country. If you got a 2.0 at any university, in any program youre not magically going to become a great student in medical school. We got them to retreat from that Massachusetts, We have a lot of student organizations in case you want to show off your leadership skills. Its not worth being angry about that stuff for too long, people dont run on schedule sometimes, like your drivers; while your classes do run on time. anyone else sorry and naturally they have low attrition rates. Its worth a shot. I have seen and heard of students being robbed, raped, intentionally run over by vehicles, detained by law enforcement without cause, and students dying for stupid reasons because nobody would come to their rescue. And FYI, my mommy and daddy have never foot any bills for me. Out of the context, this may sound like AUA campus life is getting better but in reality it is actually worse. Pros and cons to CFP at SGU? We also have free academic tutoring either for a group of up to eight students offered by the school, as well as, one-on-one free tutoring services offered by the honors society in the school. Is that true? What year did you apply? The Dean and Assistant Dean would play Cat and Mouse games with the students. As a proud father of a US Caribbean medical school student, I can say that at least this one Caribbean medical school has provided the opportunity for my son to become an excellent doctor equal to anyone including myself (I am a graduate of a US medical school and a board certified specialist). The stress of clicking in, finding a seat, and waiting in lines on a campus that cant accommodate this many people is a reason for the students who drop out in the first few weeks, which my school has statistics on and they know this will happen after years of practicing the purposeful overcrowding. I heard theres no way to retain all of that info, so what study skills did you have? Hey what are the cons that youve heard about ross. I attribute the negative reviews the fact that a good chunk of SGU students come in already expecting that anything that goes wrong is because the school is somehow inherently worse for being a Caribbean school. one building three stores not large enough to fit all med1s but something to brag about in their brochures I guess. These factors are critical because if you are in an environment that you hate, it makes it very difficult to focus on studies and to maintain healthy mental health. Cancel your social media profiles. There is housing for the majority of us, and even if students dont get housing, there are many buildings and houses right outside the school that we can rent. A 3.0 GPA is unimpressive and can easily get lost in the shuffle of competition with higher-graded students. Any medical school, or anything related to the high demands of medicine, dont get started in unless you think about healthy ways to handle stress; and unless you think of what else is more important; like your life. But hey maybe after 4 years of graduation and being unemployed you will realize you should have quit and by then your parents will be begging you to move out of the garage. You will never see, touch, dissect, or watch a human dissection at AUA. There are terrible emotional and financial consequences when informed consent is lacking as these idealistic humanitarians forge ahead off shore toward their medical degrees. While some nations pay for their students to attend E.L.A.M., Fidel Castro decided that Americans, like Haitians and students from poor African countries, should attend for free. Im just being honest with you, not meant to be mean, just honest. Download your copy of the Scholarship Guide to find out which scholarships from around the world could be available to you, and how to apply for them. It isnt nearly so doom and gloom. Is Saba a good medical school? Dostoevsky-gutless crap doesnt give a real name because they have no spine. When I received my score, I immediately registered to take it again but got the exact same score. If you are willing to go through whatever comes your way, then the Caribbean is for you; go get that MD. The reality is that some of you shouldnt be in medical school. Four hundred people (half the class) got an A on the hardest exam in school. Thats all you need to know; it essentially tells you everything. I went to one of the mid-tier programs and dropped out and I have kept in touch with students who did matchwho were VERY hard workers and who ended up in FM when I think they could have done better than that. Thanks! The problem is, these people go in feeling overconfident because they passed the training wheels course. The stress of studying away from home might be unfair if you compare to other schools; but it depends how you compare or should you even be comparing. you KNOW-I think Id rather be a Physical Therapist if I could live my life over. I will use all i have learned and what i will learn and find my niche and my place in the system. My name is Dahn Shaulis. Thinking Med school. even after a couple of years down the line and ive made a career and life doing something else. Sabas estimated attrition rate is 35%. But it does only accept around 95 students per year! I left after the first semester because I could see the dangerous journey I was embarking on. Residency Placements: 94% of eligible Saba graduates attained residencies between 2019 and 2021, Saba is a fully accredited medical school, I looked at the USMLE stats, match rate, cost and class size and chose Saba. 5. If things dont turn out the way you desired, life is full of opportunities, and the world is large, find your way again and if it makes you feel better, the whole journey you been going on it part of your destiny. I graduated AUC did my steps, got my worthless MD and ruined my life and lost any chance of retirement. I have friends who are in medical school there right now but the professors note is from 2005. School has very little support. For example, until last semester, we had 2 exams(CAS) with 100 -150 questions each. Online search? Now, I am trying to pick up the pieces to get back on track to pursue my dream of becoming a physician. Proof of coverage is necessary upon matriculation and is often required by hospitals prior to students beginning a clinical rotation. When, I become a doctor, my goal is to spread the word that no one attend the Caribbean medical school. If you do get certified you only have a 50/50 chance of matching or getting a residency position these are facts google IMG match rates, International Medical Graduates, so unless you want to be unemployed and indebt 3 years after graduation do not do it, study engineering, computer science, speech therapy, anything you do do it in a US school. The school requires certain people with questionable ability to first go through that course. you were given the option to give it a second try, but you had to start all the way from semester one. Odds are about even with the Florida lottery. Everyone cant do it. Thus these Schools must force these excessive students ( much like the over-booked flights) thru one means or the other resulting in a attrition rates as high as 40%. Intelligent people and the average joe have all fallen victim to such heinous practices. I could be a nurse, PA, NP, EMT, or any other health care provider but I want to make some changes in this world and this puts you in the driver seat to do so. Hi And not only Americans and Canadians fall victim, people of all other nationalities do so too. Getting into medical school in Canada is very tough, and less but still tough in the US. Its going to be extra hard away from your home, culture and where you have your expectations of the way things should run. (but if you want in on a little secret, the highest paid professors at a US school get paid for their research! These are poor kids who have even earned Ds and Fs in previous classes. So long as profit is the main motive, it really doesnt matter where the medical school is located. We were both premed/biochem majors from a top undergraduate university whose pass rate for prerequisites were 50%, so were used to being under a lot of what seems to be unfair stress. I have a dilemma that my dgtr who wants to become a dr is in 3 rd year and has low gpa of 3 and interested in Caribbean schools and wants to go there ASAP This isnt a problem in and of itself. It is not that they are not intelligent, believe me I have met really intelligent individuals while being there. He is not taking care of students whom he got and nothing is gonna changed if you send email about that. I also have a second home in Atlanta, so I would not have to pay for housing for rotations there. If you want to be a surgeon you work for it, if you want to serve the underserved, you guessed it, YOU WORK FOR IT!! You will have lives in your hands and you SHOULD be held to higher standards. At $26,000 tuition per semester and the chance of financial aid for both U.S. and Canadian students, also means you shouldnt rule it out. -SABA, this is a school that is alot smaller then the rest so I would like any information you can give me about the school, living condition, water, and why did you or would you pick this school over the others? My hubby recently applied and got accepted to each of The Big Four Caribbean schools, plus AUA and MUA. Informed consent. The Latest Innovations That Are Driving The Vehicle Industry Forward. They also would try to keep According to USMLE performance data, the school also had a UMSLE Step 1 pass rate of 96 percent in 2018. I want to fill you in on what really goes on behind the scenes at my medical school and maybe you can help inform other students about what happens here before they make a huge mistake. These are the students who started something and are going to finish, even if it means living in a box. You must find ways to cope, because you will be expected to just get good grades and to just be a good doctor always. however, since their establishment, AUA has not expanded their library seating. I got accepted into all 4. Currently my student loan debt is $640,000.00 no wait, its $642,000.00. I actually met one student who got a full tuition scholarship through this program. Do you have any undisclosed information on their loan for international student? After the student moves, the landlord often immediately rents it again, thereby collecting double rent. This added with the intense work load and adaptation into the pace of medical school is the third round of students to drop out. Will anything ever be done about that evil institution? 2022 Saba University School of Medicine. You keep your head down, study everyday, and hit the store once a week. You are going to meet people that you dont agree with and people that you will love on the islands. This is right on the money! I wish I could recommend SJSM to other med school hopefuls. thing by the book. I am an Army veteran who also graduated from an Ivy League institution. Also, Saba students earn top residencies at medical centers across the U.S. and Canada. For profit school something fishy is going on. Etc. school type of chap, and Definitely there were double-standards per- Then there are times when I had to take a leave and not know if I will ever find my way back in after losing finances. Dont kill someone elses dream because you cant reach your own. Provisional CAAM-HP accreditation But over time things clicked and I came into my own and surpassed those who trained me. I wondered if you might have any suggestions, contacts for me where I could utilize my medical background without a license. All in all, i have no regrets about attending one, a caribbean medical school gave me and many others who matched into good residency spots, a shot at our dream. The follow-up, some 20 years later, is that the majority of them are frustrated, burned-out and wondering what they have done to themselves. Compared to U.S. or Canadian schools, however, especially those with strong rankings thanks to research, etc., it's definitely not as good. When picking your medical school, or your job and location; examine yourself. even though Im like 3 years late to this party. I experienced very similarly what David did. would stab you in the back with a unilateral attendance policy (too bad Sorry for the delayed reply By no means was going to this school a disastrous proposition for me. I heard that last semester, the first time pass rate for the COMP was 20%. I finished at MUA and did my rotations with plenty of Saba students. Point being, dont give SGU a reason to dismiss you. It is really just memorization. If so, do you think the same things occur around Europe? Im jealous. Hi,Jane, Im from Nigeria and also a prospective medical student in one of the medical schools in the Caribbean. All comments moderated for spam. Now go and become a Doctor !!!!! I am telling you you are making a mistake with this school. The school where I attended my Medical Technology School training closed in 1999 and I could not get a transcript. 2022 Saba University School of Medicine. I am the support for a family member that is attending Antigua Medical school and of course true to the comment above. Do these schools give kickbacks to hospitals in the States so that their students get experience and jobs? I disagree with you through and through. I feel that a lot of what was said above is a gross exaggeration. Thanks for writing Elizabeth. At Saba - 8am - 5pm. ive been doing some research and would like to run it by you before i make my decision on which caribbean school to attend. People that do that end up suicidal. My heart goes out to you all. We often rotated in non-teaching hospitals, and were used as surrogate Interns! The strategy some of the schools will employ is to just admit anyone with a bioscience background. You can go to the beach for an hour EVERY day! Yes, I agree that NPs have their issues as well as PAs. We have a great psych department for those who suffer of anxiety, depression or are facing a difficult time. Its good to read all of them just in case you have a similar or positive experience if you do take the road abroad to the Caribbean. I was considering a Caribbean med school for my daughter. run into car crash medicine scamswith the local Mafia staging the great to hear your testimony. So learn; and to be honest, if you have never been under high stress and want to be a physician; may be you should study abroad and learn some things that will help you mature and grow to develop abilities to deal with the unknown or unexpected. And yet your medical degrees come from a school like this. Get out while you still can. After she applied and was accepted, she braced herself for her six-year odyssey in Cuba. You were definitely paid for the above statement and doesnt look like you actually went to SGU like the rest of us. Unless you aced the MSKP, the N Y office of our school generated paperwork and did little to help with rotations. I am almost one year post-Grenada (doing my clinical rotations in the U.S.) and I still have recurring nightmares of failing out of SGU (with 200,000+ of debt). Thanks. ME?!? Yes, it was hard to adjust to island life (especially the hurricanes!) At AUA, ROSS, AUC, SGU, etc. Hi Hani, Which school are you attending? The constant turnover means few of the faculty have been there long and the system is very unorganized, with overlapping lectures and information gaps the norm. Each year, more than 100 students are accepted into its MD program as well as over 100 students that participate in its elective programs. Why terrify these young people and pit them against one another in for-profit med schools. I know like it may seem like, this shouldnt matter because youll be just studying all day, but when youre in med school, any extra sanity is important. The school also offers yoga and meditation classes, volleyball, soccer, basketball, tai chi, spinning, kick boxing, jiu jitsu, dancing classes, and many more that I dont remember. So I say that to say this: I dont think the issue is so much with Caribbean schools themselves for a student who is able to make it to licensing because that road is not easy and not just anyone can do it. There are many reasons US students end up pursuing a field in medicine at a Caribbean school and quite a few do make it through to become highly qualified practicing physicians. Programs like St. Georges University can be equally as expensive, with a price of $62,000 per year in just educational fees. 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